Tinnitus
March 18, 2013
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Occlusion effect is a more bassy hearing of one’s own voice when something is in the ear. You can experiment with this yourself but simply pushing the ears shut with fingers and humming.
Most earplugs are not linear in frequency reception, so, yes with foam earplugs, you might sound flat. There are several products that will can solve this. The best I’ve seen are Etymotic’s–preferably custom Musician’s earplugs or the less costly Musicians earplugs.
With the standard Musicians earplugs ($15 US), these will not get rid of occlusion, but music will sound great.
If getting custom made ones, request deeply inserted custom made earplugs ($225). These come with different filter strengths (5, 15, 25 db). The deep insertions will significantly reduce occlusion (I believe by over 85%). When shopping for deeply inserted custom earplugs, find audiologist who really knows what he or she is doing. These go deep into the ear canal.
Hearing is mental as well as physical. So, for example, if one puts in earplugs for some time, surprisingly, the ears will actually want to hear better, so mentally amplifies sounds. The earplugs will protect much of the physical frequencies coming in from the direction of the ear canal (but not the bassy sounds coming in from the bones). But, the ears mentally wants to hear better still. So, I guess it’s possible that you will hear tinnitus (mental) even after wearing earplugs.
Anyhow, the answer is custom made, deeply inserted earplugs. You can also reduce tinnitus by using nature sound machines.
>>>>Basically, the occlusion effect as I understand it is the resonance that builds in the ear canal when plugs or in-ears are worn, as sound is plugged like a tub inside. This can cause flat pitch perception, but more frighteningly, hearing damage. As you can imagine, the very reason I would wear/do wear ear plugs is to protect my hearing, so thinking I may do the opposite is really scary.
My last band practice I started without plugs (we don’t play that loud, but I am pretty close to the drums) and then I switched to plugs (some ones I found in my house, silicon, with the spiral cones, no attenuation add on far as I could tell) which gave me a a significant DB reduction. On the outside anyway. The thing is, I don’t know how accurately I was singing. It felt a lot better, I wasn’t straining at all because I could hear exactly (or I thought exactly) what was coming out. I know there is no way besides asking my band members (who were also mostly plugged) and recording to hear if my pitch was compromised. I suppose I could crank the vocals so I can hear them better from the outside.
But even if I am singing as well as I thought, it does not ease my concerns of the other component of the occlusion effect, hearing damage. I felt like my ears might have been ringing later that night, which is something that never happens when I play unplugged. If I am damaging my hearing from the inside from the resonance of my own voice, that is no good. Though, I guess it means my technique is fairly good, haha!
I noticed a couple threads on this topic, but it related more to the pitch perception side of things than the hearing damage (which as a musician and music enjoyer) is higher priority.
What are the experiences and opinions of our very own Modern Vocalist Forum members? Maybe you have this figured out. Maybe have some plugs you could… plug. Or maybe you have further worries you could impart onto me about this seemingly unavoidable hearing damage.
Occlusion effect is a more bassy hearing of one’s own voice when something is in the ear. You can experiment with this yourself but simply pushing the ears shut with fingers and humming.
Most earplugs are not linear in frequency reception, so, yes with foam earplugs, you might sound flat. There are several products that will can solve this. The best I’ve seen are Etymotic’s–preferably custom Musician’s earplugs or the less costly Musicians earplugs.
With the standard Musicians earplugs ($15 US), these will not get rid of occlusion, but music will sound great.
If getting custom made ones, request deeply inserted custom made earplugs ($225). These come with different filter strengths (5, 15, 25 db). The deep insertions will significantly reduce occlusion (I believe by over 85%). When shopping for deeply inserted custom earplugs, find audiologist who really knows what he or she is doing. These go deep into the ear canal.
Hearing is mental as well as physical. So, for example, if one puts in earplugs for some time, surprisingly, the ears will actually want to hear better, so mentally amplifies sounds. The earplugs will protect much of the physical frequencies coming in from the direction of the ear canal (but not the bassy sounds coming in from the bones). But, the ears mentally wants to hear better still. So, I guess it’s possible that you will hear tinnitus (mental) even after wearing earplugs.
Anyhow, the answer is custom made, deeply inserted earplugs. You can also reduce tinnitus by using nature sound machines.
>>>>Basically, the occlusion effect as I understand it is the resonance that builds in the ear canal when plugs or in-ears are worn, as sound is plugged like a tub inside. This can cause flat pitch perception, but more frighteningly, hearing damage. As you can imagine, the very reason I would wear/do wear ear plugs is to protect my hearing, so thinking I may do the opposite is really scary.
My last band practice I started without plugs (we don’t play that loud, but I am pretty close to the drums) and then I switched to plugs (some ones I found in my house, silicon, with the spiral cones, no attenuation add on far as I could tell) which gave me a a significant DB reduction. On the outside anyway. The thing is, I don’t know how accurately I was singing. It felt a lot better, I wasn’t straining at all because I could hear exactly (or I thought exactly) what was coming out. I know there is no way besides asking my band members (who were also mostly plugged) and recording to hear if my pitch was compromised. I suppose I could crank the vocals so I can hear them better from the outside.
But even if I am singing as well as I thought, it does not ease my concerns of the other component of the occlusion effect, hearing damage. I felt like my ears might have been ringing later that night, which is something that never happens when I play unplugged. If I am damaging my hearing from the inside from the resonance of my own voice, that is no good. Though, I guess it means my technique is fairly good, haha!
I noticed a couple threads on this topic, but it related more to the pitch perception side of things than the hearing damage (which as a musician and music enjoyer) is higher priority.
What are the experiences and opinions of our very own Modern Vocalist Forum members? Maybe you have this figured out. Maybe have some plugs you could… plug. Or maybe you have further worries you could impart onto me about this seemingly unavoidable hearing damage.
hyperacusis, tinnitus, posture, resonance, vocal shape
October 20, 2010
It is not necessarily the vocal shape that directs all the
sound, and obviously, the posture initially affects the direction of the
sound. If posture is not straight, it is possible that the sound
starts going toward the ears, from starting at the vocal tract and then
resonating within the skull.
The straight alignment can better assure that the sounds emit through the mouth.
Result is lesser volume of sound to ears and reduced tinnitus and hyperacusis.
This returns to the concept of Maya and also Alexander Technique. Hearing is never right or accurately established, until the vocal apparatus is sitting in a regular vocal sound pathway–which in our case, is a detensed throat and inner mouth pathway. This begins the cause of Maya in hearing.
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The straight alignment can better assure that the sounds emit through the mouth.
Result is lesser volume of sound to ears and reduced tinnitus and hyperacusis.
This returns to the concept of Maya and also Alexander Technique. Hearing is never right or accurately established, until the vocal apparatus is sitting in a regular vocal sound pathway–which in our case, is a detensed throat and inner mouth pathway. This begins the cause of Maya in hearing.
<a href=”http://www.WebAndNet.com”>www.WebAndNet.com</a>, Houston Strategic Web Marketing
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Hyperacusis-tinnitus and body-head posture
October 13, 2010
When singing, if the sound-resonance is sent a bit far back in
the mouth, it can resonante in the head-skull, and if the jaws-mouth are
wider than more longer-oval, the sound can easily reach the ears. This
causes major problems for those with hyperacusis and tinnitus.
Solution– a better posture such that the sound is sent automatically more forward (more toward the teeth). Longer-oval shaped mouth also helps solve, but the better solution is through posture.
<a href=”http://www.WebAndNet.com”>www.WebAndNet.com</a>, Houston Strategic Web Marketing
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Solution– a better posture such that the sound is sent automatically more forward (more toward the teeth). Longer-oval shaped mouth also helps solve, but the better solution is through posture.
<a href=”http://www.WebAndNet.com”>www.WebAndNet.com</a>, Houston Strategic Web Marketing
<a href=”http://chen.webbizcard.com/”>Chen.WebBIZcard.com</a> ,a web invention prototype
Hyperacusis, tinnitus, and singing resonance
September 25, 2010
Hyperacusis or tinnitus can be aggrevated when one is increasing head resonance.
My solution as of 9-25-10 is to uplift the chest more, such that the throat is uplifted (straight, lengthened) and the chest uplifted. This sends the sound path more properly through the parts of the back mouth, such that the sound doesn’t resonante to the ears.
This won’t won’t work if the throat muscles remain taut–because these tensions diminsh the vocal tracts’ flexibility.
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My solution as of 9-25-10 is to uplift the chest more, such that the throat is uplifted (straight, lengthened) and the chest uplifted. This sends the sound path more properly through the parts of the back mouth, such that the sound doesn’t resonante to the ears.
This won’t won’t work if the throat muscles remain taut–because these tensions diminsh the vocal tracts’ flexibility.
www.WebAndNet.com
Tinnitus, hyperacusis, and singing techniques
January 6, 2010
It’s well known that the major cause to tinnitus is loud
sounds. Also, a related condition, hyperacusis (painful amplified
hearing), is also affected by loud sound. Lastly, tinnitus and
hyperacusis are often precursors to deafness.
Singing techniques can affect the travel of sound throughout the head, and obviously to the ears as well. The ways of head resonance amplify these sounds as well.
So, it would seem that singing techniques can affect the degree of affected tinnitus and hyperacusis, and possibly even reduce the likelihood of losing one’s hearing.
Though it is known that some tinnitus and hyperacusis suffers’ singning can cause these illnesses, I didn’t find much research on this topic or how singing techniques can reduce tinnitus or hyperacusis.
Does anyone have suggestions, knowledge, resources for research?
Tags:hearing and singing, hyperacusis, tinnitusSinging techniques can affect the travel of sound throughout the head, and obviously to the ears as well. The ways of head resonance amplify these sounds as well.
So, it would seem that singing techniques can affect the degree of affected tinnitus and hyperacusis, and possibly even reduce the likelihood of losing one’s hearing.
Though it is known that some tinnitus and hyperacusis suffers’ singning can cause these illnesses, I didn’t find much research on this topic or how singing techniques can reduce tinnitus or hyperacusis.
Does anyone have suggestions, knowledge, resources for research?
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